The ever fabulous Demi Wylde and I had a deliciously transparent discussion and I know you will find it to be just as tasty as I did! We talk about both of our histories with HIV and addiction. Demi found out he was positive on Valentine’s Day. I found out I was positive on New Year’s Eve. #FuckedUp Demi tells us how he got started doing drag and where his drag name – Venus La Penis – was born. We read through some of his original poetry from his two poetry books and sip on some tasty tea as Demi dishes on some his sultry sex experiences.
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Demi Wylde Short Interview
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[00:00:04] De’Vannon: [00:00:04] to the sex, drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to. And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is Davanon and I’ll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world. As we dig into topics that are two risks gay for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what’s really going on in your life, there was nothing off the table.
[00:00:30] And we’ve got a lot to talk about. So let’s dive right into this episode.
[00:00:42] my guest today is the great and fabulous Demi Wilde. He is an author podcaster and entrepreneur from Los Angeles, California. My favorite city. He is the CEO of wild heart media company and the author of [00:01:00] two poetry books, which are bitter blue pill and all was nothing in the time of champion. Demi also writes an essay series called hookup horror stories, which are true tales of sexual encounters that seeks to dispel shame and heal the trauma surrounding sex.
[00:01:20] Jimmy has also written a deviance guide to sex, how to guide on navigating sex love and interpersonal relationships and an in-depth look at the history and culture. That’s arounds the topic. Jimmy also hosts the podcast, a cosmic journey with Damien J. A comedy podcast about science and spirituality, where they discuss things like aliens, witchcraft, technology, astrology, space, nature, physics, and the law of attraction.
[00:01:52] It’s been my honor to spend time with Demi and I am so delighted to share our conversation with you, [00:02:00] Demi. Thank you so much for your comment on the sex drugs and Jesus podcast today. I felt like I’ve been waiting for you forever.
[00:02:08] Demi: [00:02:08] I know it’s been, it’s been a little bit, but I’m very glad I’m here too.
[00:02:12] Thank you.
[00:02:14] De’Vannon: [00:02:14] So you, you, you’ve got to be definitely one of the most colorful people that I’ve ever. Had the good fortune of crossing paths with, and, um, in my, in my entire existence. And so thank you.
[00:02:30] Demi: [00:02:30] I, that is one of the most highest compliments I think I’ve ever gotten. So I really like, I love that. Thank
[00:02:36] De’Vannon: [00:02:36] you.
[00:02:37] Yeah, I don’t just go swinging compliments around haphazardly. I don’t give them bitches out on. Unless they are deserve it and you do deserve them. So I want you to bless our RDNS here with, uh, your history to include, like what you feel your successes are, you know, brief us on the struggles that you feel [00:03:00] like you, they are in.
[00:03:01] And most importantly, the passion that drives you and makes you get up every day and keep doing what you’ve been doing.
[00:03:09] Demi: [00:03:09] That’s a very broad question. I’ll try to do my best. Um, well, like I, number one, I’m a writer. Um, I, uh, I, I read a blog called hookup horror stories. Um, it’s basically, it’s my, it’s a little bit of a therapy session for myself.
[00:03:24] A little bit kind of like, um, helping other people by telling the stories. I have had in my life, um, whether they be poignant or whether they be funny or whether they be kind of just heartbreaking, heartbreaking, um, it’s just kind of like my way of like therapy in a way, but it also brought me to another blog that I write.
[00:03:46] I called a deviance guide to sex. And that one’s a little bit more of like a, how to manual for sex ed for like the new generation, if you will. Um, it goes into depth about like, you know, the history of sex, like what is, [00:04:00] what it’s like in the media. Um, it takes a feminist perspective. It includes queer and trans.
[00:04:05] Uh, youth, um, um, but then also goes into like really fun stuff, like Kingston, taboos and stuff, and I’m still working on it. It’s still a work in progress, but, um, a lot of research involved in that one. Um, I’ve also, I’m also a poet. I’ve written two books. Um, and I host a podcast, um, uh, called the cosmic journey with Demi and J that’s my me, my best friend, Jamie ACO.
[00:04:28] And we talk about. Aliens and astrology and, uh, psychic mediums and technology and all the fun stuff going on in the universe. Um, I was gonna say, uh, what gets me up in the morning? Um, I find it very difficult to give them up in the morning at the moment. Um, I was definitely, uh, wait until the very last minute today to like get up and like get ready, but, um, uh, I guess it’s just the matter of.
[00:05:01] [00:05:00] You don’t really do it for anybody else. You do it for yourself, um, more than anybody else. And if anybody else listens or anybody else reads, then I guess that’s a plus too. It’s
[00:05:12] De’Vannon: [00:05:12] a very humble way to put it.
[00:05:14] Demi: [00:05:14] Yeah.
[00:05:17] De’Vannon: [00:05:17] Okay. And I, I, I listened to some of your podcasts and it is quite great. The exchange, uh, that you and your bestie have between one another and that highly, highly recommended.
[00:05:29] Now you, you refer to yourself as a goth kid at heart. And I want you to say, tell me when, when you started doing that and explain to me what that means. Explain to us all with it.
[00:05:44] Demi: [00:05:44] Um, well, so, I mean, I guess it’s kind of started in freshman year, maybe even a little bit before that. I mean, I was bullied a lot as a kid and I definitely felt a sense of otherness and, um, I [00:06:00] never really like fit in, so I took it to a little bit of an extreme and.
[00:06:06] My freshman year of high school, I got involved with like, you know, the theater kids and like the golf kids. And we were just like the weird kids that sit in the back of the class were all black and pear nails. Listen to death metal and, and just be weird together. Um, but so that definitely, and then that extended later on til like, you know, all throughout high school where we would go to punk shows and, you know, drink or meet the stairs and just like come home drunk, like 16 year olds, just like being little rebels.
[00:06:39] Um, And so I think that it has kind of like extended all throughout my life. And I’ve always had a sense of otherness about myself versus of queerness, if you will. Um, that I just definitely, uh, never really fit into the mold. And I started just kind of embraced that by being, you know, a goth or a punk or.
[00:07:00] [00:07:00] Just weird, openly, weird,
[00:07:05] De’Vannon: [00:07:05] boring to fit inside the mold it’s been done before. It’s such a drag and like not in a good way. And so, so, uh, I had Mia. A little goth stint, if you will, for like a moment in her story, this for a moment when I was in the military and I wasn’t really fitting in and God knows, I barely made it out of there with an honorable discharge.
[00:07:29] Then we got kicked out like two or three times, but I. Raving when I was stationed in Tucson, Arizona, like desert parties, desert raves. And back in those days, everyone wore like a huge kick wear jeans and pants. And I started wearing those in high school. I was one pair, Sidewinder jeans that my mom wouldn’t buy it for me.
[00:07:50] So I had to save up my lunch money for like weeks.
[00:08:00] [00:07:59] Wow. You know, those are, yeah. I never talked to anybody who knows the Taiwan energy.
[00:08:04] Demi: [00:08:04] Oh yeah, those are hideous,
[00:08:08] De’Vannon: [00:08:08] but they were so nineties,
[00:08:11] Demi: [00:08:11] I’m waiting for them to make a comeback truthfully, because everything else in the nineties is going to come back right now.
[00:08:16] De’Vannon: [00:08:16] It’s put us on with Sketchers and get on out the door.
[00:08:18] And so, um, until I would complete. My look like sometimes for raves, I would go to hot topic and just like clean them out. So I got this like finger armor and everything like that. Like the, I don’t know, very Arthur and look, and I would do like the all black and the pinstripe and the zippers and everything.
[00:08:39] And I paint my nails and black, uh, later on in life. Or maybe I did it then I can’t remember, but it was very, um, it was a very dark look for me. And I have to say that I don’t regret. It was, it was a good time.
[00:08:53] Demi: [00:08:53] Oh, it was a total good time. Speaking of hot topic, me and my, and my friends used to, uh, spend a lot of time after [00:09:00] school in hot topic, just stealing shit, just cleaning them out.
[00:09:07] Like how do we not ever get caught? You know?
[00:09:13] De’Vannon: [00:09:13] Well, I mean, that comes down to whether or not the worker. He gave a damn enough thing
[00:09:19] Demi: [00:09:19] about, right. Right. I think anyone that worked at a hot topic like in the early two thousands is they didn’t really give a shit
[00:09:26] De’Vannon: [00:09:26] either. Yeah. They would probably barely awoke, you know, just from partying to like there’s was time to come to work, you know?
[00:09:34] So, um, dumps, I’m excited that we have that in common. And so, so I learned from listening to your podcasts, that you have a history of doing drag. Yeah. Um, I need to know, I need to know how all that got started. I considered doing it at one point at one time, but I never really followed up on it. I have a great respect for direct [00:10:00] cleans the artistry, the detail, the talent, the energy, the consistency, and everything like that.
[00:10:05] So give us your drag story.
[00:10:09] Demi: [00:10:09] Well, I kind of fell into it. It wasn’t necessarily something that I, I definitely was interested in it, but, you know, through various circumstances, I just kind of like fell into it and then just continued with it. Um, my boyfriend at the time, he was a DJ for a nightclub. And so regularly we would be out and like hanging out with the Queens and like, You doing all this stuff and just like having a good time.
[00:10:34] And, um, I had kind of started piecing things together and, and like, you know, yeah, I’m an ex theater kid. So like I used to like keep costumes and stuff and like, I could put things together and, and, um, I. I’ve I found, um, well actually another homegirl of mine, um, had started an open stage show. And, um, that was basically my first introduction to like performing [00:11:00] on a drag stage.
[00:11:01] And, uh, she kind of did it for me in a way, but then I ended up like, Kind of taking over because she was like, I’m done here, you go have this show, have this show. And so literally six months into my drag career, I was hosting shows. Um, and I all around Seattle. I started in Seattle. I did it for like five years in jail.
[00:11:23] And, um, I, yeah, just kind of bounced around and then really contained with it. And I took it very seriously. Like it was definitely like a, an art form for myself and, and a form of expression. Um, and I almost feel like I, I may have relied a little bit too much on it, and I think that’s ultimately was my downfall with doing drag.
[00:11:44] Was I. Number one developed a little bit of a drinking problem. Um, during that time, because you know, you go out into the nightclubs and you know, you sit in the VIP section, people just feed you alcohol. It’s kind of a thing. A lot of, a [00:12:00] lot of the times you’re getting paid with drink tickets. So it’s just kind of like, that’s just the nature of the business.
[00:12:04] And so cut to me, um, scaling those side of my wall and our side of my apartment building in a fur coat at like three in the morning. Cause I forgot my keys. Um, like just weird stuff was going on and, and I ended up, um, uh, leaving Seattle because of a breakup that I had with sideway. And, um, during that time I moved to Sacramento and I ended up, um, drag was kind of my, my job in the beginning when I moved there.
[00:12:35] Cause I didn’t only have a job when I moved there and it just kind of became like exhausting and, um, it’s a lot of work I’m entirely self-taught I have. Adopted drag family, such as Christie’s champagne on the, on the show. And, um, lady J was my original one. Um, but we, uh, I was like entirely self-taught like, I taught myself, makeup, taught myself how [00:13:00] to, uh, style wigs.
[00:13:01] I taught myself how to, um, style clothes, um, how to perform on stage and stuff. So I, I have people that I looked up to, but I’d never really like. I was just felt like, like they did it so much better than I did anyways. So I just definitely like, you know what? This isn’t for me anymore. I want to take my life in a different direction now.
[00:13:22] And I ultimately just put it down and don’t get my stuff and said, you know what? Have a good day. It’s been great. Venous love penis. You’re dead. She might come out in Halloween later on down the road. But, um, as for right now, her career is completely gone.
[00:13:40] De’Vannon: [00:13:40] Venous love penis or your drag name, or is your drag name?
[00:13:44] Demi: [00:13:44] Yeah. So I don’t know. I don’t know your age. Um, you look young 38 and a half darling. Okay. We’re not, we’re not that we’re not that far off. That I’m, I’ll be 33 this year, but, um, uh, so I don’t know if you were a Disney kid at all, but [00:14:00] I used to watch the show on Disney called a Xenon girl, the 21st century.
[00:14:05] And she had a tagline on that show called, or she would say Zaidis Lapidus. Ultimately that became venous lumpiness. And that’s just kind of where the drag name came from.
[00:14:19] De’Vannon: [00:14:19] Hey, there, ain’t nothing wrong with that. And yeah, I love me some Disney. I was more of a, um, Mickey mouse club. Oh, yeah. Like way back in the day back when Brittany and Brittany Spears and Justin Timberlake and JC Chasez and Christina Aguilera were on.
[00:14:36] Wow. Wow. And I used to get, I usually get in the living room and perform for my family or whoever cared to look, or if they weren’t looking at it and care. Okay. So I’m watching this, recording it on VHS tape. And so I would like rewind the dance routines and learn all the dance routine that I would listen and rewind and write down all the lyrics.
[00:14:59] This is before [00:15:00] you guys go online and print lyrics, shit did I would write it down and I would memorize all the dance moves. And seeing it, all of that. So yeah, I’m all about Disney. Let’s put on a show, show tunes, all of that. And so, yeah,
[00:15:14] Demi: [00:15:14] I remember when I was, you know, we were really poor kids too, so like I was me and like all the kids on the block we used to, um, put on little concerts, uh, on, in just our front yard and stuff and just listened to like Britney Spears or whatever.
[00:15:28] Destiny’s child and, and make a little dance moves to it. So that was another kind of, I think, introduction to like that performance life of myself. And that happened pretty early on like, you know, 9, 10, 11 around that time. But yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s fun. I mean, drag is fun, but yes, it is very exhausting.
[00:15:50] De’Vannon: [00:15:50] Um, Hey, you know, I, I admire too. Yeah. Yeah. The people, the vendors, sometimes they come and set up at different gay [00:16:00] bars, the huge sparkly earrings that the drag Queens, where they’d be like a hundred dollars, $200, like for one set and everything like that. And the girls have like many of them and everything like that.
[00:16:13] I admire the craft. So you get the Nancy Pelosi?
[00:16:23] Demi: [00:16:23] Yes.
[00:16:26] De’Vannon: [00:16:26] I think that might be the second time. I’ve given that to somebody in my life. I don’t do it often.
[00:16:34] So now another thing you and I have in common is that we both have a history of HIV. And so I want you to talk about your experience with that because no matter what advances in science have been released on to us, or how far along we may have come and combating this disease, there’s still a stigma around it.
[00:16:58] There’s still people who can [00:17:00] track it, who feel like they’re gonna die, um, because nobody wants to have their body invaded. Generally speaking. By this disease. So can you talk to us about your experience with HIV?
[00:17:17] Demi: [00:17:17] Yeah. Um, so I found out my status in, like I said, in 2017 and it was post breakup. So I had, um, moved from Sacramento down to Riverside where I’m from.
[00:17:32] And, um, I started dating this guy and actually, you know, Back up just a little bit here, Christmas 2016, the Christmas of 2016, I got really, really sick. I had like the worst flu of my life and I was like, wow, I don’t know what’s going on. I went to the hospital, they just, they were full. So I basically got sent home.
[00:17:54] Um, I, uh, was dating someone at the time who found out they were [00:18:00] positive. So I’m fairly certain that it was this person who I was with, um, that I received it from it wasn’t a bad thing. It wasn’t like, you know, oh God, I hate you or anything. I was like, okay, well, this is the thing. And I’m going to accept it about you.
[00:18:17] Whatever happens happens. It was a negative thing. Um, I actually still have major love for this person, but, uh, that being said I did move. So that relationship did end. Um, and then when I moved to Riverside, I. You know, got tested and, um, started dating this other guy for a little bit. And it was Valentine’s day 2017 that I got my test results back and they had me come in and my boyfriend at the time came with me and he was positive too.
[00:18:52] Um, but he was on meds and he was undetectable. As, as you know, um, undetectable equals transmittable. So it’s [00:19:00] basically what, what happens when you’re undetectable, you’re on this cocktail of, of medicine that makes your viral load, uh, as low that they cannot even measure it in your bloodstream, you, and because it cannot even measure it in your blood stream, that you also cannot transmit it to others.
[00:19:13] Um, it’s. Basically like you’re, I mean, ultimately it’s kind of like having diabetes in a way, like it’s even less invasive than having diabetes because diabetes, you still have to prick your finger every day. You just don’t have to like, do your blood and still like invasive, but this, you just take a hell every day and you’re okay.
[00:19:33] And as long as you’re healthy and you eat right, and you exercise, you’re pretty much golden. Um, but that being said, um, Uh, I found out that day and, uh, Valentine’s day of all days, I got broken up with three days later, by the way, by the same guy. So, um, I, it was, uh, it was a rough year. I mean, uh, 2016 was a rough year and then the beginning of 2017 was a rough year too.
[00:20:00] [00:20:00] But when I found out it wasn’t like, um, I don’t think I processed it right away. Cause I, um, I definitely felt like I. I was say, you know what I, whatever I have to do, I’m going to do, like, I got to get to work now. And my health has been number one priority. So emotionally I didn’t process it. And I still, you know, a month later I was undetectable, I was all good and everything.
[00:20:32] And I was in school at the time and doing all this stuff and I don’t think I really processed it until yeah. A year later when I moved to, um, LA and I just basically kind of like. All this other stuff started happening to me. And I started like, you know, using drugs. I started like, you know, kind of like using sex as a way to, um, alienate myself and to, um, like run away [00:21:00] from her problems in a sense.
[00:21:02] And so I started therapy and, um, I mean, therapy was another nother process too. I, I, I’m still not a hundred percent on that. On that journey, but, um, I am seeing a therapist now and, um, it’s just been a journey. Like, you know, whenever you find something about your health that, you know, you kind of are faced with your own mortality in a sense.
[00:21:25] And when you don’t necessarily process that emotionally, you, you tend to run opposite directions and do whatever you can to like, not think about it. It’s it’s scary. And it’s, it’s unfortunate that people work that way, but, um, you know, we’re on a journey and we all just have our own ways of dealing with things and that’s okay too.
[00:21:52] De’Vannon: [00:21:52] Well, I love how clear you are in your thought processes and everything [00:22:00] like that. It’s quite inspiring to me. I’m sorry, all of this happened to you in a way that it did. I’m very thankful and appreciative that you’ve turned it around into such a positive thing and such, such a positive attribute. I respect you for your open-mindedness towards it and about like, you know, your previous partner then, you know, and then being positive and you’re not judging them for it and for embracing them.
[00:22:24] So you’re, you’re so full of love and, um, It’s funny how we remember the date. You know, my date was December 31st, 2011. And, um, and I, they didn’t
[00:22:39] Demi: [00:22:39] call it that holiday for some reason. It’s like random holiday, like the year before, the year before I was broken up with, or like me and my boyfriend broke up on Christmas day, like the year before.
[00:22:54] So like, Holidays are rough,
[00:22:59] De’Vannon: [00:22:59] right? [00:23:00] They didn’t call me into the office. Sometimes. I wonder if my response would have been different. Had they actually called me into the office until like a healthy environment. The doctor. Yeah, I had contracted hepatitis B. So I was seeing like a liver doctor and this fool decided to leave the voicemail, telling me I’m HIV positive.
[00:23:21] And by the way, don’t be running around infecting people. It was something along those lines on new year’s Eve. So I’m going to getting ready for the club. You know, I got my like drugs and everything, you know, I’m feeling fabulous, bitch. I don’t want this today. Why you couldn’t wait until like the first or the second, you know, let me ring in the new year.
[00:23:39] Shit. So. So that’s at meal, like on a bad spiral. I thought I was going to die because the only person in my life that I had known that had HIV, he was like in his lower twenties and he literally shriveled up and like died. And so that was the only frame of reference that I had. And so I thought that would be me.
[00:23:59] And [00:24:00] so, you know, I ended up homeless and everything like that. And so. Yeah, it was, it was a hot mess. And so in, in your speaking, I hear a lot of like sex positivity, and I know that’s something that you really stand for. So can you speak to us about what sex positivity means to you and give advice to people about ways to embrace sex and a better way?
[00:24:25] Demi: [00:24:25] Well, for me, I always use sex as a crutch, so. I, it was a way for me to like, process and also avoid, uh, dealing with things. So it’s something I enjoy, but I enjoy it a lot better when I actually have an emotional connection with someone, or I have an intellectual connection with someone because there’s a mutual respect.
[00:24:51] There there’s a mutual kind of like connection. So when I, when I speak about being sex positive, what I’m really meaning is. [00:25:00] Being connected to people when you’re having sex, like hooking up is fine. Like, don’t get me wrong. Hooking up is fine. It’s great. However, from my experience, majority of that time that you, that you spent hooking up is really just kind of like chasing and it’s not necessarily like chasing the right things.
[00:25:20] You’re chasing. And escape, essentially. So when I talk about being sex positive, I talk about being more or less, uh, connection oriented when you’re having sex. So when, let me see if I can put this the right way, um, Ultimately. Yeah, just, I’m sorry, just alternately. When I say, like being sex positive, like being open with your partners, being connected, being communicative with them, that’s the best way to do it.
[00:25:52] Like, like for me, like, you know, I don’t necessarily think that, um, That sex is a bad thing. I think this is a [00:26:00] great thing, and it’s a way for us to connect with other people. And I think it’s just a better way of doing it. We’re not really taught these things in school. We’re taught the birds and the bees, but it’s not really that, but especially as queer people, we’re not taught the birds and the bees.
[00:26:14] All, all stories are thrown out the window because there’s no really a blueprint for us to do it. This seems like the interpersonal connection between two people or three people or four people or five or whatever, or five or whatever your case may be. Um, I’m, I’m more of a one-on-one person, right?
[00:26:34] Truthfully I’ve, I’ve been around the block a few times, but yeah, I, I think there’s nothing better than just two people who really like each other and really have a respect for each other and, and are able to connect in that way. Um, however, um, None of us are really taught how to do that, how to do that, healthily, how to do that, um, in a way that is beneficial for people.
[00:27:00] [00:27:00] And so we’re kind of just left turn devices and kind of like lost in the dark, running around, like with our chickens, with the head cut off, you know, it’s, it’s really kind of like feeling around for, for whatever can. Come next and that’s not the way to do it. I don’t think.
[00:27:16] De’Vannon: [00:27:16] Yeah. So what you’re saying is trying not to learn about sex from porn.
[00:27:19] Like I did growing up or from the streets or from like the dope boys or from trade and, you know, get, and to be conscious and thoughtful and intentional about what you’re doing with your body and with your significant other or
[00:27:34] Demi: [00:27:34] others. Yeah. That’s a very,
[00:27:39] De’Vannon: [00:27:39] it’s a very interesting perspective. So, oh, then
[00:27:45] Demi: [00:27:45] I’ll say this too.
[00:27:46] Sorry to cut you off, but like I, your body is a temple and what you do with your body is your own business. However, if you let someone who is unworthy into your temple, Or [00:28:00] around your temple. Um, then that might be a problem because you’re not letting the right people around you are not letting the right kind of company, um, that you would like around.
[00:28:11] So let’s treat your body as a temple and, and other people will treat you that same way because you, you essentially teach people how to treat you. Right. And if you’re dealing with the wrong people, then the soup we’re going to take advantage of you no matter what.
[00:28:28] De’Vannon: [00:28:28] Yup. I’ve been in that situation before, when I was young, naive, gullible, and from the country.
[00:28:33] And yeah, you do teach fif how to teach you now. I have standards and you know, since I’ve put that out there, I get better, you know, respect from people than I ever have before. So that’s a hundred percent the truth, which you just preach right there and around. So, how does that work though, with being like, say like a sexual deviant, like you were talking about before?
[00:28:59] So [00:29:00] how do we do sex positivity, respect our temple and still be a sexual deviant at the same time.
[00:29:06] Demi: [00:29:06] That’s a good question. Um, so, okay. I’ll start with explaining what a sexual deviant is. A sexual deviant is someone who is, uh, interested in, uh, engaging in. Or is curious about alternative sexual, uh, practices.
[00:29:25] And just because you’re curious about it doesn’t necessarily mean you want to do it such as, you know, things like necrophilia or beastiality like, that’s not things that people necessarily want to do for the most part. Um, but. There are things that have happened in the past or things that have happened in history.
[00:29:42] Um, such as what’s that Russian queen who, who, you know, famously had sex, the horse and died, you know, that’s, that’s a real story. Um, it’s also a little bit of a myth. Um, I forgot what her name is right now, but, um, Ultimately like a sexual deviant is someone who you want to learn [00:30:00] from set or learn sex from, because they know about all the weird stuff.
[00:30:04] They know all about the darkness. They know all about that kind of, uh, stuff that people don’t necessarily want to talk about or stuff. And, and because we have a person who, you know, knows about this stuff, that they’re the person that you want to go to, to like, explain. Because, you know, ultimately you don’t want to, you know, find yourself in a horse cage yourself, or, you know, engaging in necrophilia obviously.
[00:30:31] But, you know,
[00:30:32] De’Vannon: [00:30:32] it’s neat because these things
[00:30:35] Demi: [00:30:35] that would, because it’d be because of these things that, um, Have existed or, you know, are, are there, but because we shine light on it, they’re less scary. And so obviously we were not trying to tell people to do these things, but, you know, but there are things that, you know, culturally things like that happen.
[00:30:53] And, um, you know, it’s just, it just depends on like how. How you frame it [00:31:00] and when you are, um, discussing sex with someone, it’s, it’s good to be open about like all the weird stuff too, because how else are we gonna know? We’re gonna learn from porn. We’re going to learn from the internet and that’s not where you want to go learn that stuff.
[00:31:17] Not particularly,
[00:31:18] De’Vannon: [00:31:18] no. Okay. So
[00:31:22] Demi: [00:31:22] you’ll get, you’ll find Mr. Hans and that’s about what you’re going to find.
[00:31:26] De’Vannon: [00:31:26] Oh, I’m getting south park flashbacks or problems or somebody with the Mr. Han.
[00:31:33] Demi: [00:31:33] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mr. Hans, the video and online video, the guy gets fucked by the horse and dies. Okay,
[00:31:40] De’Vannon: [00:31:40] different, Mr.
[00:31:41] Haynes.
[00:31:42] Demi: [00:31:42] You’re different, Mr. Hans. Yeah,
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